Q1_Aircraft: Dry wall

All,
I heard several mention that they are using spackel to form things,
such as cowlings, etc. How does this work? Does fiberglass not stick
to it or do you need mold release. I've been covering foam (x30) with
bondo and sanding, with a plan to paint with mold release, spackel if
it works would save lots of work. Any info would be appreciated. Do
you need to use real spackel or is the other stuff ok (vinyl).
Thanks,

Dave R
Q1
Texas
Flying in '06

Dave, I am just building the plenums for my engine on the Q200, What I did
was to wrap the engine with visqueen, then I got some foam blocks and put
them where I could then I wrapped the parts again to make a kind of bag and
filled the bag with 2 part X30 foam. It comes out the same density as the
blue foam I used on the wings. Then you can take the bag off and use your
surefoam tool till you are happy with the shape. After that you can fill if
needed with what ever you want. I used drywall mud, the 45 minute kind,
using it you can build up heaver pieces. After that you can put whatever
kind of mold release you want under the bio or whatever cloth you are using.
Be sure to get the mold as close to perfect as you can, makes it much easier
in the long run.

Ron T



Ron's Quickies, Page 8 is the Q200 and 9 is the Quickie
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All,
I heard several mention that they are using spackel to form things,
such as cowlings, etc. How does this work? Does fiberglass not stick
to it or do you need mold release. I've been covering foam (x30) with
bondo and sanding, with a plan to paint with mold release, spackel if
it works would save lots of work. Any info would be appreciated. Do
you need to use real spackel or is the other stuff ok (vinyl).
Thanks,

Dave R
Q1
Texas
Flying in '06





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davedrosen < d2r@... > wrote:All,
I heard several mention that they are using spackel to form things,
such as cowlings, etc. How does this work? Does fiberglass not stick
to it or do you need mold release. I've been covering foam (x30) with
bondo and sanding, with a plan to paint with mold release, spackel if
it works would save lots of work. Any info would be appreciated. Do
you need to use real spackel or is the other stuff ok (vinyl).
Thanks,

Dave R
Q1
Texas
Flying in '06


Basically, any kind of finishing of the foam is waste of time and money, shape
the foam to the right shape, apply clear packaging tape to it and make the
lay-up over it.

You can see several examples of this on my web.

George



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Dave, if you don't put anything on the foam, it is like a sponge and you
will have a dry layup that is trash. If you get the foam to the exact right
shape you want you can put on a layer of epoxy mixed with micro balloons or
like George said use packaging tape, for me it was easier to put on the thin
layer of drywall mud as it sands pretty easy. I suggest you study some books
on resin layups. If you have the builders manual for the Q's there is a
basic lesson on how to do it. Are you going to remove the foam or leave it
in place after the part is completed? This makes a big difference.



Ron T



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davedrosen < d2r@... > wrote:All,
I heard several mention that they are using spackel to form things,
such as cowlings, etc. How does this work? Does fiberglass not stick
to it or do you need mold release. I've been covering foam (x30) with
bondo and sanding, with a plan to paint with mold release, spackel if
it works would save lots of work. Any info would be appreciated. Do
you need to use real spackel or is the other stuff ok (vinyl).
Thanks,

Dave R
Q1
Texas
Flying in '06


Basically, any kind of finishing of the foam is waste of time and money,
shape the foam to the right shape, apply clear packaging tape to it and make
the lay-up over it.

You can see several examples of this on my web.

George



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ron, i have a mold for the cowling. i can make a cowling for you

Ron < rondefly@... > wrote:Dave, I am just building the plenums for my
engine on the Q200, What I did
was to wrap the engine with visqueen, then I got some foam blocks and put
them where I could then I wrapped the parts again to make a kind of bag and
filled the bag with 2 part X30 foam. It comes out the same density as the
blue foam I used on the wings. Then you can take the bag off and use your
surefoam tool till you are happy with the shape. After that you can fill if
needed with what ever you want. I used drywall mud, the 45 minute kind,
using it you can build up heaver pieces. After that you can put whatever
kind of mold release you want under the bio or whatever cloth you are using.
Be sure to get the mold as close to perfect as you can, makes it much easier
in the long run.

Ron T



Ron's Quickies, Page 8 is the Q200 and 9 is the Quickie
bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/we.../rtrianoc/page8.html

bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/we.../rtrianoc/page9.html

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All,
I heard several mention that they are using spackel to form things,
such as cowlings, etc. How does this work? Does fiberglass not stick
to it or do you need mold release. I've been covering foam (x30) with
bondo and sanding, with a plan to paint with mold release, spackel if
it works would save lots of work. Any info would be appreciated. Do
you need to use real spackel or is the other stuff ok (vinyl).
Thanks,

Dave R
Q1
Texas
Flying in '06





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Lester, I don't need a cowling, I was just trying to help Dave learn about
composites.
Ron T

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ron, i have a mold for the cowling. i can make a cowling for you

Ron < rondefly@... > wrote:Dave, I am just building the plenums for my
engine on the Q200, What I did
was to wrap the engine with visqueen, then I got some foam blocks and put
them where I could then I wrapped the parts again to make a kind of bag and
filled the bag with 2 part X30 foam. It comes out the same density as the
blue foam I used on the wings. Then you can take the bag off and use your
surefoam tool till you are happy with the shape. After that you can fill if
needed with what ever you want. I used drywall mud, the 45 minute kind,
using it you can build up heaver pieces. After that you can put whatever
kind of mold release you want under the bio or whatever cloth you are using.
Be sure to get the mold as close to perfect as you can, makes it much easier
in the long run.

Ron T



Ron's Quickies, Page 8 is the Q200 and 9 is the Quickie
bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/we.../rtrianoc/page8.html

bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/we.../rtrianoc/page9.html

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All,
I heard several mention that they are using spackel to form things,
such as cowlings, etc. How does this work? Does fiberglass not stick
to it or do you need mold release. I've been covering foam (x30) with
bondo and sanding, with a plan to paint with mold release, spackel if
it works would save lots of work. Any info would be appreciated. Do
you need to use real spackel or is the other stuff ok (vinyl).
Thanks,

Dave R
Q1
Texas
Flying in '06





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