Q1_Aircraft: Q1 panel

Larry,
I've spoke to some people using this engine. It is a risk, because
if I bought one today it would be one of the first 100 engines sold.
I've heard several things about it. In some ways the engine is too
new and is a being sold a little early in my opinion. So far my
dealings with the owner of the company has been good. There are now
others useing the engine and it is going well. I speak to several of
the people who have one every now and then. The reason I chose this
one is that there aren't very many choices out there in this horse
power range that are also 4 stroke. My weed wacker has convinced me I
want a 4 stroke, it's my pink butt on the line. I also looked into
the Great plains VW. I believe this is a good choice for some
airplanes but is too heavy for a Q1 if I wanted a starter and
accessories. The only other option was the HKS. Until recently, I
didn't see much support in the US, although this has changed of late
with a new US rep. I didn't see any engine mount support with HKS
either. Hexadyne has worked very well and closely with me to design
my engine mount. I guess I won't cast my vote till I plop down the 9K
for the engine, but this is a lot of money and I believe very pricey
for this size engine, so I'm watching how others are supported and
treated by the factory. I don't really want to change at this time,
but I still can if I must. This is why I'm watching others who are
working with the engine. It's a good thing that the aviation
community is small and well connected to each other. I think if this
engine works out, I will have quite the toy. I also like some of it's
features, such as the single leaver throttle, full fadec, real fuel
injection, alternator etc., all at just a bit more heavier than the
onan. The factory lent me the mock engine to make my cowling. Their
support in this area has also been very good. So I keep my ears to
the ground and if I hear good from the thoes out there I will
continue with my plans to use this engine. I will keep everyone
posted on how my experiences are. Hope this gives you a bit of insite
as to my thinking. Comments are welcome. I do have access where I
work to A&P's, DER's, DAR's, etc, this too will help.

Regards,
Dave R.
Q1
Texas




--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply. I think your instrument panel is fine, I
thought
> the GPS right below was probably a radio also, that is why I was
> guessing the upper right was an auto pilot.
> What do you know about this engine? Do you know anyone using one? If
> so how do they like it? I am not sure I remember anything about this
> engine. I saw one in your photos section. did that one belong to
> someone else? $ 8,800.00 sure seems expensive for a two cylinder
> engine. I know if it is a really good and reliable engine then maybe
> it is worth it. I know it wouldn't work on this plane but heck you
can
> buy a low time 2000 hour TBO 160hp Lycoming for less than that. Have
> you totally ruled out the Onan that the plane was originally
designed
> around? Do you just think you need a lot more power or do you think
> the Onan is not reliable?
> Thanks
> Larry H.
>
>
> --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
> >
> > Larry,
> > Funny you should ask, as I work for an autopilot company (S-
Tec),
> > but I'm saving that for my next airplane. That is an XCOMM760,
It's
> > a relatively new Aussie Company. This radio has more output power
on
> > the transmitter, can receive NOAA weather channels, and can
listen
> > to VOR's. It also has an intercom built in (I can talk to
myself?)
> > and an external music input. I've powered it up and it seems to
be
> > as advertised. Some may think the panel is overkill, but I want
to
> > be able to go anywhere. The engine spec's are below, off of their
> > website. www.hexatronengineering.com/prod02.htm
> > Dave R.
> > Texas
> > Q1
> >
> >
> > Hexadyne Aviation P60 air-cooled engine
> > SPECIFICATIONS
> >
> > 60 HP (62 BHP for short periods of time)
> > Four stroke OHV - 4 valves/cylinder
> > Air cooled
> > Displacement 800 cc
> > Compression ratio - 9 to 1
> > Cylinder bore: 3.625'
> > Rated power - 60 HP @ 5750 rpm
> > Cruise power (75% of max) 45 HP
> > Crankshaft @ 5750 rpm = 2300 rpm prop speed
> > Induction system: Single throttle or (optional) Dual throttle
> > Electronic ignition
> > Fuel injection
> > Fuel - Mogas or LL Ethanol-free
> > Consumption: 3 gallons per hour
> > Engine Management System: Computer controlled with 6-sensor
inputs
> > Size, approx. 23.5 inches wide 19 inches deep and 16 inches high
> > 68 to 70 inch propeller
> > 2.5 to 1 spur gear reduction drive
> > total weight - 98 lbs. (44.5 kg) total weight - 98 lbs. (44.5
kg)
> > total installation weight includes alternator, electric starter,
> > engine management system, oil tank (filter and oil - pressure fed
> > system) connector pipes
> > Warranty for 2 years against defective parts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > The new panel looks really great. Is that an autopilot on the
top
> > > right ? Sorta looks like one from a distance ! Keep up the good
> > work.
> > > I have never heard you say what engine you will be using. Can
you
> > tell
> > > us about it's weight and HP.
> > > Larry H.
> > > Rockwall tx
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > > I got my panel back from gettin powder coated. I posted a
> > picture in
> > > > the photos section. It's called Q1 panel it's in the Dave R
Q1
> > photos
> > > > folder. I'm pleased with it's looks. The empty cutout is for
a
> > Taskem
> > > > EFI instrument. It gives RPM, Vert speed. alt. egt and cht on
2
> > > > cylinders and other stuff. I'll order it soon, after tax
return.
> > > > Dave R.
> > > > Texas
> > > > Q1

Dave,

Look at this Super Quickie built by Tom Solan, it has a Great planes
4 cylinder VW engine.

www.greatplainsas.com/vwtsolan.html

Ryan

--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
>
> Larry,
> I've spoke to some people using this engine. It is a risk,
because
> if I bought one today it would be one of the first 100 engines
sold.
> I've heard several things about it. In some ways the engine is too
> new and is a being sold a little early in my opinion. So far my
> dealings with the owner of the company has been good. There are now
> others useing the engine and it is going well. I speak to several
of
> the people who have one every now and then. The reason I chose this
> one is that there aren't very many choices out there in this horse
> power range that are also 4 stroke. My weed wacker has convinced me
I
> want a 4 stroke, it's my pink butt on the line. I also looked into
> the Great plains VW. I believe this is a good choice for some
> airplanes but is too heavy for a Q1 if I wanted a starter and
> accessories. The only other option was the HKS. Until recently, I
> didn't see much support in the US, although this has changed of
late
> with a new US rep. I didn't see any engine mount support with HKS
> either. Hexadyne has worked very well and closely with me to design
> my engine mount. I guess I won't cast my vote till I plop down the
9K
> for the engine, but this is a lot of money and I believe very
pricey
> for this size engine, so I'm watching how others are supported and
> treated by the factory. I don't really want to change at this time,
> but I still can if I must. This is why I'm watching others who are
> working with the engine. It's a good thing that the aviation
> community is small and well connected to each other. I think if
this
> engine works out, I will have quite the toy. I also like some of
it's
> features, such as the single leaver throttle, full fadec, real fuel
> injection, alternator etc., all at just a bit more heavier than the
> onan. The factory lent me the mock engine to make my cowling. Their
> support in this area has also been very good. So I keep my ears to
> the ground and if I hear good from the thoes out there I will
> continue with my plans to use this engine. I will keep everyone
> posted on how my experiences are. Hope this gives you a bit of
insite
> as to my thinking. Comments are welcome. I do have access where I
> work to A&amp;P's, DER's, DAR's, etc, this too will help.
>
> Regards,
> Dave R.
> Q1
> Texas
>
>
>
>
> --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I think your instrument panel is fine, I
> thought
> > the GPS right below was probably a radio also, that is why I was
> > guessing the upper right was an auto pilot.
> > What do you know about this engine? Do you know anyone using one?
If
> > so how do they like it? I am not sure I remember anything about
this
> > engine. I saw one in your photos section. did that one belong to
> > someone else? $ 8,800.00 sure seems expensive for a two cylinder
> > engine. I know if it is a really good and reliable engine then
maybe
> > it is worth it. I know it wouldn't work on this plane but heck
you
> can
> > buy a low time 2000 hour TBO 160hp Lycoming for less than that.
Have
> > you totally ruled out the Onan that the plane was originally
> designed
> > around? Do you just think you need a lot more power or do you
think
> > the Onan is not reliable?
> > Thanks
> > Larry H.
> >
> >
> > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry,
> > > Funny you should ask, as I work for an autopilot company (S-
> Tec),
> > > but I'm saving that for my next airplane. That is an XCOMM760,
> It's
> > > a relatively new Aussie Company. This radio has more output
power
> on
> > > the transmitter, can receive NOAA weather channels, and can
> listen
> > > to VOR's. It also has an intercom built in (I can talk to
> myself?)
> > > and an external music input. I've powered it up and it seems to
> be
> > > as advertised. Some may think the panel is overkill, but I want
> to
> > > be able to go anywhere. The engine spec's are below, off of
their
> > > website. www.hexatronengineering.com/prod02.htm
> > > Dave R.
> > > Texas
> > > Q1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hexadyne Aviation P60 air-cooled engine
> > > SPECIFICATIONS
> > >
> > > 60 HP (62 BHP for short periods of time)
> > > Four stroke OHV - 4 valves/cylinder
> > > Air cooled
> > > Displacement 800 cc
> > > Compression ratio - 9 to 1
> > > Cylinder bore: 3.625'
> > > Rated power - 60 HP @ 5750 rpm
> > > Cruise power (75% of max) 45 HP
> > > Crankshaft @ 5750 rpm = 2300 rpm prop speed
> > > Induction system: Single throttle or (optional) Dual throttle
> > > Electronic ignition
> > > Fuel injection
> > > Fuel - Mogas or LL Ethanol-free
> > > Consumption: 3 gallons per hour
> > > Engine Management System: Computer controlled with 6-sensor
> inputs
> > > Size, approx. 23.5 inches wide 19 inches deep and 16 inches
high
> > > 68 to 70 inch propeller
> > > 2.5 to 1 spur gear reduction drive
> > > total weight - 98 lbs. (44.5 kg) total weight - 98 lbs. (44.5
> kg)
> > > total installation weight includes alternator, electric
starter,
> > > engine management system, oil tank (filter and oil - pressure
fed
> > > system) connector pipes
> > > Warranty for 2 years against defective parts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > The new panel looks really great. Is that an autopilot on the
> top
> > > > right ? Sorta looks like one from a distance ! Keep up the
good
> > > work.
> > > > I have never heard you say what engine you will be using. Can
> you
> > > tell
> > > > us about it's weight and HP.
> > > > Larry H.
> > > > Rockwall tx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > > I got my panel back from gettin powder coated. I posted a
> > > picture in
> > > > > the photos section. It's called Q1 panel it's in the Dave
R
> Q1
> > > photos
> > > > > folder. I'm pleased with it's looks. The empty cutout is
for
> a
> > > Taskem
> > > > > EFI instrument. It gives RPM, Vert speed. alt. egt and cht
on
> 2
> > > > > cylinders and other stuff. I'll order it soon, after tax
> return.
> > > > > Dave R.
> > > > > Texas
> > > > > Q1

HEy Guys

I may be getting my tail into a mess (one of the reasons I keep my mouth shut
) I dont want to create but here goes.

For those who are mechanically inclined (or willing to learn)
There is an engine out there you can create, which is lighter, not as wide,
can use the same 94mm cylinders, and is as powerful as a 1/2 VW.
It is called the UltraVair (like Ultralight ... get it) which is a 1/3
Corvair.

I have Tom Solans orignal Mosler which flew on his SuperQuickie for 200hr.
Tom was very happy with this engine. There were only two reasons he built
the 4cylinder, 60hp VW.
1. He was moving from a field elevation of appx 600ft to a field elevation of
2200feet.
2. His Mosler 2 cylinder engine has a Zenith updraft carb. of which he would
not adjust the mixture in flight. His consern was that the packing washer
used in the main jet adjusting needle would eventuall leak fuel if (in time) one
were to twisting it in flight for leaning at higher altitudes.

When he flew from a field elevation of 600 feet, the engine never needed
leaning below
3000ft,( and he loved to fly low for his most enjoyable view). Jim
Bennette(SP?) of GreatPlains(SP?) aircraft engines, assured me that 'the packing
washer
on the main jet might eventually leak some year down the road. But, that was
not a big deal and could be easly fixed with a new packing washer'

If I didnt have Toms 2-cylinder Mosler engine (he won a Lindy at Osh 88 or
89) I would
build the 1/3 Corvair. The Ultra Vair is a clever design that continues
where all the variants of Morry Hummel's 1/2 VW ended. It produces as much
power
(and could produce more with 94 or 95 mm jugs) as the orignal 1/2VW with the
orignal VW cylinder diameter, is lighter, and not as wide (about the width of a
jabaru).

OK, thats my .02 cents worth ... no warranty given or implied.
Now, having said all that, If I was considering a 60hp VW and had the money,
the 80hp Jabaru 4cylinder would be the engine for me. Lighter, smaller,
morepowerful.

Tom will tell you all that new power in his 60 HP VW is great but you better
prop it for the
VNE of the Quickie (145mph) if you dont want to over speed the airframe.

Gene

In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:19:30 PM Central Standard Time,
rryan@... writes:
Look at this Super Quickie built by Tom Solan, it has a Great planes
4 cylinder VW engine.

www.greatplainsas.com/vwtsolan.html

Ryan

--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
>
> Larry,
> I've spoke to some people using this engine. It is a risk,
because
> if I bought one today it would be one of the first 100 engines
sold


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your thoughts on the engine. I hope it works out as it
sounds. I will say that I am no engine expert, but I have been around
this airplane stuff for at least 35 years. I have seen and heard a lot
of promises from engine and aircraft developers that never quite lived
up to the billing ! You are right about one thing, you will have a
great toy if the engine lives up to expectations. If I were a betting
man, I would bet against it even though my heart wants it to work out.
It seems like a lot of horsepower for it's size unless it takes really
destructive high RPM to make the hp. If that is the case then there
may be multiple problems incurred as well as the reduction drive being
the next problem. I do hope you will keep us informed of the other
guys engines, sure would be good to dyno the little guys to see if
they produce as claimed. I would be tempted to put an Onan in to see
if you like it. That would save you $6,000.00 right up front ! Maybe
even more if you can find a good used one cheap to try. Fly that one
for a while, wait and see if the new engine has any problems. If not
change over, sell the Onan, get the new one and you are off. I sure
made that sound easy, didn't I? I know most people want to install the
final engine up front, but if the new one does not work out, then you
will be changing anyway, but you will be a lot poorer ( $ ) at the end
of the process. This is just my thoughts anyway. Don't let me
discourage anyone, I just want you to get your moneys worth and be
happy in the end.
Larry H.




--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
>
> Larry,
> I've spoke to some people using this engine. It is a risk, because
> if I bought one today it would be one of the first 100 engines sold.
> I've heard several things about it. In some ways the engine is too
> new and is a being sold a little early in my opinion. So far my
> dealings with the owner of the company has been good. There are now
> others useing the engine and it is going well. I speak to several of
> the people who have one every now and then. The reason I chose this
> one is that there aren't very many choices out there in this horse
> power range that are also 4 stroke. My weed wacker has convinced me I
> want a 4 stroke, it's my pink butt on the line. I also looked into
> the Great plains VW. I believe this is a good choice for some
> airplanes but is too heavy for a Q1 if I wanted a starter and
> accessories. The only other option was the HKS. Until recently, I
> didn't see much support in the US, although this has changed of late
> with a new US rep. I didn't see any engine mount support with HKS
> either. Hexadyne has worked very well and closely with me to design
> my engine mount. I guess I won't cast my vote till I plop down the 9K
> for the engine, but this is a lot of money and I believe very pricey
> for this size engine, so I'm watching how others are supported and
> treated by the factory. I don't really want to change at this time,
> but I still can if I must. This is why I'm watching others who are
> working with the engine. It's a good thing that the aviation
> community is small and well connected to each other. I think if this
> engine works out, I will have quite the toy. I also like some of it's
> features, such as the single leaver throttle, full fadec, real fuel
> injection, alternator etc., all at just a bit more heavier than the
> onan. The factory lent me the mock engine to make my cowling. Their
> support in this area has also been very good. So I keep my ears to
> the ground and if I hear good from the thoes out there I will
> continue with my plans to use this engine. I will keep everyone
> posted on how my experiences are. Hope this gives you a bit of insite
> as to my thinking. Comments are welcome. I do have access where I
> work to A&amp;P's, DER's, DAR's, etc, this too will help.
>
> Regards,
> Dave R.
> Q1
> Texas
>
>
>
>
> --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I think your instrument panel is fine, I
> thought
> > the GPS right below was probably a radio also, that is why I was
> > guessing the upper right was an auto pilot.
> > What do you know about this engine? Do you know anyone using one? If
> > so how do they like it? I am not sure I remember anything about this
> > engine. I saw one in your photos section. did that one belong to
> > someone else? $ 8,800.00 sure seems expensive for a two cylinder
> > engine. I know if it is a really good and reliable engine then maybe
> > it is worth it. I know it wouldn't work on this plane but heck you
> can
> > buy a low time 2000 hour TBO 160hp Lycoming for less than that. Have
> > you totally ruled out the Onan that the plane was originally
> designed
> > around? Do you just think you need a lot more power or do you think
> > the Onan is not reliable?
> > Thanks
> > Larry H.
> >
> >
> > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry,
> > > Funny you should ask, as I work for an autopilot company (S-
> Tec),
> > > but I'm saving that for my next airplane. That is an XCOMM760,
> It's
> > > a relatively new Aussie Company. This radio has more output power
> on
> > > the transmitter, can receive NOAA weather channels, and can
> listen
> > > to VOR's. It also has an intercom built in (I can talk to
> myself?)
> > > and an external music input. I've powered it up and it seems to
> be
> > > as advertised. Some may think the panel is overkill, but I want
> to
> > > be able to go anywhere. The engine spec's are below, off of their
> > > website. www.hexatronengineering.com/prod02.htm
> > > Dave R.
> > > Texas
> > > Q1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hexadyne Aviation P60 air-cooled engine
> > > SPECIFICATIONS
> > >
> > > 60 HP (62 BHP for short periods of time)
> > > Four stroke OHV - 4 valves/cylinder
> > > Air cooled
> > > Displacement 800 cc
> > > Compression ratio - 9 to 1
> > > Cylinder bore: 3.625'
> > > Rated power - 60 HP @ 5750 rpm
> > > Cruise power (75% of max) 45 HP
> > > Crankshaft @ 5750 rpm = 2300 rpm prop speed
> > > Induction system: Single throttle or (optional) Dual throttle
> > > Electronic ignition
> > > Fuel injection
> > > Fuel - Mogas or LL Ethanol-free
> > > Consumption: 3 gallons per hour
> > > Engine Management System: Computer controlled with 6-sensor
> inputs
> > > Size, approx. 23.5 inches wide 19 inches deep and 16 inches high
> > > 68 to 70 inch propeller
> > > 2.5 to 1 spur gear reduction drive
> > > total weight - 98 lbs. (44.5 kg) total weight - 98 lbs. (44.5
> kg)
> > > total installation weight includes alternator, electric starter,
> > > engine management system, oil tank (filter and oil - pressure fed
> > > system) connector pipes
> > > Warranty for 2 years against defective parts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > The new panel looks really great. Is that an autopilot on the
> top
> > > > right ? Sorta looks like one from a distance ! Keep up the good
> > > work.
> > > > I have never heard you say what engine you will be using. Can
> you
> > > tell
> > > > us about it's weight and HP.
> > > > Larry H.
> > > > Rockwall tx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > > I got my panel back from gettin powder coated. I posted a
> > > picture in
> > > > > the photos section. It's called Q1 panel it's in the Dave R
> Q1
> > > photos
> > > > > folder. I'm pleased with it's looks. The empty cutout is for
> a
> > > Taskem
> > > > > EFI instrument. It gives RPM, Vert speed. alt. egt and cht on
> 2
> > > > > cylinders and other stuff. I'll order it soon, after tax
> return.
> > > > > Dave R.
> > > > > Texas
> > > > > Q1

Gene,
Your .02 sounded like at least a dollars worth to me. I like your idea
about the ultravair. I have heard that these make really reliable
engines. I have seen photos and they look really great. A photo is
worth a 1000 words, not sure how many rpms a photo is worth though.
You are right about using the VW cylinders on the Corvair engine, that
is common practice. I would bet that you could build one of these
engines for a few hundred dollars, less than one thousand I would
think if you have the ability to do things yourself. I will find the
Ultravair and post the link.
Larry H.




--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , GeneKnapp2@a... wrote:
> HEy Guys
>
> I may be getting my tail into a mess (one of the reasons I keep my
mouth shut
> ) I dont want to create but here goes.
>
> For those who are mechanically inclined (or willing to learn)
> There is an engine out there you can create, which is lighter, not
as wide,
> can use the same 94mm cylinders, and is as powerful as a 1/2 VW.
> It is called the UltraVair (like Ultralight ... get it) which is a 1/3
> Corvair.
>
> I have Tom Solans orignal Mosler which flew on his SuperQuickie for
200hr.
> Tom was very happy with this engine. There were only two reasons he
built
> the 4cylinder, 60hp VW.
> 1. He was moving from a field elevation of appx 600ft to a field
elevation of
> 2200feet.
> 2. His Mosler 2 cylinder engine has a Zenith updraft carb. of which
he would
> not adjust the mixture in flight. His consern was that the packing
washer
> used in the main jet adjusting needle would eventuall leak fuel if
(in time) one
> were to twisting it in flight for leaning at higher altitudes.
>
> When he flew from a field elevation of 600 feet, the engine never
needed
> leaning below
> 3000ft,( and he loved to fly low for his most enjoyable view). Jim
> Bennette(SP?) of GreatPlains(SP?) aircraft engines, assured me that
'the packing washer
> on the main jet might eventually leak some year down the road. But,
that was
> not a big deal and could be easly fixed with a new packing washer'
>
> If I didnt have Toms 2-cylinder Mosler engine (he won a Lindy at Osh
88 or
> 89) I would
> build the 1/3 Corvair. The Ultra Vair is a clever design that
continues
> where all the variants of Morry Hummel's 1/2 VW ended. It produces
as much power
> (and could produce more with 94 or 95 mm jugs) as the orignal 1/2VW
with the
> orignal VW cylinder diameter, is lighter, and not as wide (about the
width of a
> jabaru).
>
> OK, thats my .02 cents worth ... no warranty given or implied.
> Now, having said all that, If I was considering a 60hp VW and had
the money,
> the 80hp Jabaru 4cylinder would be the engine for me. Lighter, smaller,
> morepowerful.
>
> Tom will tell you all that new power in his 60 HP VW is great but
you better
> prop it for the
> VNE of the Quickie (145mph) if you dont want to over speed the airframe.
>
> Gene
>
> In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:19:30 PM Central Standard Time,
> rryan@s... writes:
> Look at this Super Quickie built by Tom Solan, it has a Great planes
> 4 cylinder VW engine.
>
> www.greatplainsas.com/vwtsolan.html
>
> Ryan
>
> --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
> >
> > Larry,
> > I've spoke to some people using this engine. It is a risk,
> because
> > if I bought one today it would be one of the first 100 engines
> sold
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

THE ULTRAVAIR ENGINE IS AT www.ultravair.com the normal one has a
87.3 MM Bore 74.7 Stroke 54.6 Cubic inch displacement 27.5' width
Weighs 80 lbs produces 35 HP at 3500 rpm. If my memory serves me the
original ONAN was 18hp as purchased from Quickie. You were to run it
for some hours then for $300.00 you could trade in your 18 hp heads
for new heads that raised hp to 22. I was one of those who bought one
of the Onan engines 18 hp, sent in my $ 300.00 but never received my
22 hp heads.
Larry H.



--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'laheze' <laheze@e...> wrote:
>
> Gene,
> Your .02 sounded like at least a dollars worth to me. I like your idea
> about the ultravair. I have heard that these make really reliable
> engines. I have seen photos and they look really great. A photo is
> worth a 1000 words, not sure how many rpms a photo is worth though.
> You are right about using the VW cylinders on the Corvair engine, that
> is common practice. I would bet that you could build one of these
> engines for a few hundred dollars, less than one thousand I would
> think if you have the ability to do things yourself. I will find the
> Ultravair and post the link.
> Larry H.
>
>
>
>
> --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , GeneKnapp2@a... wrote:
> > HEy Guys
> >
> > I may be getting my tail into a mess (one of the reasons I keep my
> mouth shut
> > ) I dont want to create but here goes.
> >
> > For those who are mechanically inclined (or willing to learn)
> > There is an engine out there you can create, which is lighter, not
> as wide,
> > can use the same 94mm cylinders, and is as powerful as a 1/2 VW.
> > It is called the UltraVair (like Ultralight ... get it) which is a
1/3
> > Corvair.
> >
> > I have Tom Solans orignal Mosler which flew on his SuperQuickie for
> 200hr.
> > Tom was very happy with this engine. There were only two reasons he
> built
> > the 4cylinder, 60hp VW.
> > 1. He was moving from a field elevation of appx 600ft to a field
> elevation of
> > 2200feet.
> > 2. His Mosler 2 cylinder engine has a Zenith updraft carb. of which
> he would
> > not adjust the mixture in flight. His consern was that the packing
> washer
> > used in the main jet adjusting needle would eventuall leak fuel if
> (in time) one
> > were to twisting it in flight for leaning at higher altitudes.
> >
> > When he flew from a field elevation of 600 feet, the engine never
> needed
> > leaning below
> > 3000ft,( and he loved to fly low for his most enjoyable view). Jim
> > Bennette(SP?) of GreatPlains(SP?) aircraft engines, assured me that
> 'the packing washer
> > on the main jet might eventually leak some year down the road. But,
> that was
> > not a big deal and could be easly fixed with a new packing washer'
> >
> > If I didnt have Toms 2-cylinder Mosler engine (he won a Lindy at Osh
> 88 or
> > 89) I would
> > build the 1/3 Corvair. The Ultra Vair is a clever design that
> continues
> > where all the variants of Morry Hummel's 1/2 VW ended. It produces
> as much power
> > (and could produce more with 94 or 95 mm jugs) as the orignal 1/2VW
> with the
> > orignal VW cylinder diameter, is lighter, and not as wide (about the
> width of a
> > jabaru).
> >
> > OK, thats my .02 cents worth ... no warranty given or implied.
> > Now, having said all that, If I was considering a 60hp VW and had
> the money,
> > the 80hp Jabaru 4cylinder would be the engine for me. Lighter,
smaller,
> > morepowerful.
> >
> > Tom will tell you all that new power in his 60 HP VW is great but
> you better
> > prop it for the
> > VNE of the Quickie (145mph) if you dont want to over speed the
airframe.
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:19:30 PM Central Standard Time,
> > rryan@s... writes:
> > Look at this Super Quickie built by Tom Solan, it has a Great planes
> > 4 cylinder VW engine.
> >
> > www.greatplainsas.com/vwtsolan.html
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > --- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'davedrosen' <d2r@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry,
> > > I've spoke to some people using this engine. It is a risk,
> > because
> > > if I bought one today it would be one of the first 100 engines
> > sold
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]