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Tom,

A quick update on my Q-2. I converted it to a TRI-gear because I needed a new set of brakes. I should have concentrated on new brakes. The TRI-gear system is OK, but the Matco brakes supplied with the kit did not have the power to stop me within a 3000' landing rollout. I dealt with Matco and they have a solution. They provided an adapter kit that adds an additional caliper and brake mounting plate. The original TRI-gear kit axle is not long enough so I changed to an axle that Matco has available. I now have two calipers on each wheel. They work good, touchy, but good. I am building new exhaust pipes, just got to #3 and burned a hole at a weak spot. Looking forward to another year of Q-TALK.

Fred Wemmering, Fayetteville, NC

 

Tom,

I finished my Q-200 in 1990. Ever since then I have fought high oil temperatures. When the outside air temperature went above 90?F, I just couldn't keep the oil temps below 225. I tried all sorts of things inside the cowl (tighten baffles, seal everything, add oil cooler, duct more and more air to the cooler, etc.) but it never seemed to solve the problem. I would make minor improvements but it was still getting too hot. The airplane was (and still is!) a tremendous joy to fly so it was never a high priority problem. Everything was fine except in the heat of the summer. It was annoying but not enough to keep me from flying it!

At Ottawa 1997, I talked with Bob Malechek and noticed that the exit opening on the bottom of his cowl was larger than mine. I was beginning to suspect that the problem was not inside the cowl but the shape of the cowl itself. Eventually, I was directed to an article in the September issue of Sport Aviation entitled "Engine Cooling Problems" (sorry, I don't remember who gave me the pointer). I suppose if I had been keeping up with my reading I would have found it myself!

This article describes how to measure the pressure differential between the top and the bottom of the cowl. Basically you construct a water manometer out of plastic tubing with a loop with water in it so you can measure the difference in the water levels. One end of the tube goes on top of the engine ("high" pressure side of the cowl) and the other on the bottom of the engine ("low" pressure side). The article says that if you don't have at least 4.5 inches difference in the levels, you won't have enough cooling. I could just barely get three inches in the best flight condition (cruise). During climb it was much worse than that.

Once I finally had some data, I thought I finally had an idea on what might be the problem. I considered several cowl flap ideas, but everything I designed just seemed too complicated (Murphy and I have always had a very close relationship!). I finally decided to cut a hole in the bottom of the cowl and re-glass a bigger opening. The opening is about 10" wide at the trailing edge of the cowl. It narrows to about four inches in the front. It is not a triangle because I wanted as much clearance between the cowl and oil sump (which is about 4 inches forward of the rear). I lowered the cowl about 1.5 inches around the oil sump. I figure this gave me about 15 square inches of additional exit air. I've included some pictures.

 

 

Rather than just glass a new shape to the cowl, I glassed it so that I could attach it with four screws and nutplates. I also glassed a lip in the part of the old cowl that I cut out so I could put it back in place. This gives me one I can use in the winter when I don't need the extra cooling, and one I can use in the heat of the summer. It is set up such that I can change the "cowl flap" by removing the four screws and sliding it out the rear of the cowl - without removing the cowl. So I now have a "ground adjustable" cowl flap that is extremely simple and totally reliable.

 

 

At Ottawa last year (anybody remember how hot it was?!?), with the engine already warm, I took Terry Sickler for a ride which would have normally easily exceeded redline on the oil temps (no offense T!). But this time it didn't get over 220, even in a long climb. Honestly, I don't know of a better test of my new "cowl flap".

I'd love to give you all of the scientific data on what this change has done but I just haven't had the time to gather it. The oil temperature now runs 25 to 30 degrees below what it was before. I assume there is a speed penalty for the bigger opening but I haven't been able to find it. All I know is that the problem that has plagued me for year is now just gone!

So if you're having problems with heat, go look up that article (you can purchase it from EAA's website) and take some measurements. The "tools" will cost you less than five dollars and about an hour of your time. The real lesson is to just keep working on your problems - eventually you will find a solution. Mine took almost 700 flight hours to fix! As far as I'm concerned, my plane is now PERFECT!

Paul A. Fisher, Taylor Ridge, IL

 

Tom,

I've got the Tri-Q2 pretty well finished. I am now trying to get some paint on it if the weather warms up a bit. After 5 1/2 years plus 3500 hours it's getting to look like an aeroplane. I have been running the engine and it sounds good after sitting about 12 years in the shop. All the instruments seem to operate OK. So now I need a couple of radios and finish the painting so I can get it out to the airport this spring for some taxi runs. I'll be 79 in June and had a pacemaker last year so I'm sweating out my medical. I hope for the best. See you at Sun 'N Fun.

Gordon Hanson, Melrose Park, IL

Ed. Note: Gordon, best of luck to you on your medical. You have put a lot of work into your plane and I know you would like to get it in the air.

 

 

Gordon Hanson's TRI-Q2 getting closer to that big trek to the airport!

 

Hi Tom,

Here are some updates on my Subaru engine installation. I have had some problems with the NST reduction drive, but it has been upgraded to the latest modifications. I also changed the gear ratio from 1.69 to 1 to 2.03 to 1. The three-blade Warp drive prop has been shortened from 58 inches to 55 inches with 24? of pitch.

On the last test flight two days ago I was turning the prop 2600 rpm and indicating 172 mph @ 1500 feet. The engine was running at 5281 rpm. The engine is still going lean at full throttle so a little tailoring of the needle should give full power and a few more revs at the top end.

Marion Brown, Plantation, FL

 

 

 

The above two photos are from a Dragonfly that was at Ottawa 98. This builder has an accordion type sun visor that's retractable when not in use. It seemed to work fairly well and could be retracted quickly when getting near a traffic area.

 


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Q-talk 136 - Q1 Interest Making a Come Back?

It's great to see the Quickie world is still going strong, I check the QBA site often to see what's going on.

A bit of history about this aircraft, back in 2006 I got some plans for the Q1 and was getting ready to build when a friend told me about a guy that owned one, but had passed away back in 2000. I started doing some research and found the phone number for the son. I gave him a call and asked if I could have a look at it as I was interested in building one. Before I knew it, he said,if I'm so interested make him an offer, the following week I took it home for $5000 AUD. This aircraft was one of the first Rutan designs in Australia, it first flew in 1985 and has done over 300 hours on 3 different engines. From 2000 onwards it was gathering dust in a farm shed. After 24 years the paint was a bit faded, so the new paint job, prop and spinner are the only work wehave done on it. The rest was still in good condition.

It is so much fun to fly. We fly off rough bush strip with no problems. Its weight is about 240kg TOW. It has a Rotax 503 with twin carbs. I can cruse at 110 kts at 5200 rpm or 130kts 6000 rpm and stalls at 50kts. It has two extra fuel tanks giving about 40L all up. It has a 45"diameter prop set at 28 degrees pitch. I have 30 hours flying on it now.

Craig Jones

Campbelltown, South Australia

Finishing the Q-200 I bought from Mike Brown is on my 10 year plan, but at only 29 years old, I've hopefully got that in me. In the meantime I've picked up a previously flying Q1 that I plan to get back up in the air.

It came with a Nelson H-63-CP engine. It looks like there was talk of using this engine before, but I know very little about this engine. It looks like the rights to the Nelson engines were sold in 1996 to Sport Plane Products, Inc. - Charles Rhoades out of Naples, FL. I've tried calling the number listed, but it is no longer in service. Does anyone know anything about this engine?

Regards, Cody Austin

Nathan Peck sent this photo of his Q1 originally built by is Dad. He has recently converted to a Rotax 503. We may see him and his machine at the Field of Dreams Fly-in this fall.



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Q-talk 136 - West Coast Tandem Wing Fly-in Brief Report

"When it rains, it pours..." How true that saying is, though not in the sense of precipitation, but rather participation. The weekend of August 21-23 saw beautiful, warm weather with clear, blue skies in Livermore, CA. What did pour was the wealth of knowledge and information exchanged during the 8th Annual West

Coast Tandem Wing Fly-in, held at LVK. The event's co-hosts had been planning for months on making this the best fly-in ever, and the many smiles on the faces of those attending gave evidence that our efforts were successful.

A record number of aircraft were exhibited during the fly-in, totaling 17 this year. One more than last year. We were graced with 8 Q-types including; a Q-2 Jabiru flown in by Paul Spackman from Casper, Wyoming; Mark Summers' Q-200, from Truckee, California; locally-based Q-200's built by Bob Farnam and Jim Patillo; Geoffrey Rutledge and Brad Olsen's Q-200's and Alan Thayer's Q-2 Jabiru and Q-1 with the new carbon fiber spar. This event was heavily advertised to the EZ community, and a good number of EZ type aircraft also showed up. These included the amazingly efficient VariEze built by our featured speaker, Gary Hertzler, who flew in from Arizona; and a gorgeous Cozy-4, flown in from Sacramento. We also welcomed Steve Kearny's locally-based and beautiful VariEze, and Long EZ's built by Ray McCrae, John Meir, and Barry Weber. Dave Dent was also present with his Velocity, and Geoffrey Rutledge taxied over his Glassair II. Finally, Dragonfly builder Terry Adams arrived in his striking Thorpe T-18, the only metal airplane at the fly-in this year. We missed a number of pilots and planes who had actually intended on attending, but for various reasons, couldn't launch, or had to turn back. Among those who had to turn back were none other than Ernest Martin and Jerry Marstall, who were planning the surprise of the century, but had to turn around above Oklahoma, due to an oil leak... and what a surprise indeed that would have been! Hats off to you both for making such a valiant attempt, and that was indeed the best kept secret ever, as none of us out here even had a clue!!

The heart of the Livermore event this year was what we all learned while listening to Gary Hertzler, who held us spellbound during his 2 forums, and during his hands-on inspection of our airframes. Among the multitude of lessons we learned was the fact that a 5.00x5 wheel and tire equates a loss of 2.5hp at 150 knots, and 5.8hp at 200 kts. Similarly, tip strobes each account for a loss of 0.8hp, and 1.8hp, respectively. 2" exhaust pipes, 6" long, account for 1.5hp 3.5hp respectively and %" diameter wire, 1' long will eat up 1.7hp, and 3.9hp, respectively. Amazing!

Gary's VariEze was an amazing showcase of improvements. For example, in 1984 Jeanna Yeager flew Gary's stock VariEze for a closed course World Record. Then, in 1994, Gary flew a much modified VariEze, N99VE for a new record exceeding Jeanna's record by over 100 miles on 10 fewer gallons. N99VE presently flies 30 mph faster at the same fuel flow than in the plans configuration of 29 years ago. Gary says that with attention to detail these planes can indeed be very efficient.

We learned about induced drag, parasitic drag, skin friction drag, gaps and leaks, ducts and baffles, engine cooling drag, wingtip considerations, the importance of the canard/fuselage junction point, and wheel pant improvement... enough to make your head spin. Then we then went out to the tarmac where Gary inspected a number of our planes to illustrate what he had spoken of theoretically. Jon Finley graciously had supplied us prior to the event with some tufting video of his plane to confirm Gary's analyses of what can indeed be observed on our planes. Gary's presentation concluded with a forum on propellers, which he now makes. Propeller making started out as a part-time hobby after his retirement and has turned into a full-time business.

What would a great event be without food? Co-host Sam Kittle's barbecued chicken dinner was even better than ever this year! Those who missed the dinner, missed the best chicken and potato salad anywhere! All in all, what a great weekend for Quickies! Watch for a more detailed report from the Grand Poohbah, Jimmy Masal in an upcoming issue of Q-Talk.



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Q-talk 73 - CLASSIFIEDS

A current member may have one free Ad per month. It may be a maximum of five lines of type and will be edited to fit space available. Items advertised must be owned by the member. The Ad contact must be a member name. Ads will be run for TWO issues and then the Ad must be resubmitted.


WANTED: Will pay top dollar for a simple clean-built Onan powered Quickie. Must have complete logs, in good flying condition and have been hangared. Vicinity of northwest preferred. 425-869-0240 This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


FOR SALE: Q-1, 22.6 hp Onan, 128 hrs TT, 208 landings, LS-1 canard, Thermister fuel gauges, 1 gal/hr fuel consumption, cabin heat, cut fuselage for easy hauling, dual brake controls. Ted Kibiuk 315-896-2004 - NY


WANTED: Wood prop about 52" dia./48" pitch to be installed on HAPI VW conversion. (Magnum 75 hp) in a Q-2 project. Contact Gerard by fax at 418-562-7604 or E-mail at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


FOR SALE: Q-2, 0 time Revmaster, on the gear, controls installed, surfaces all built, tail feathers removed for storage. Includes a 16' dually trailer to carry home. $6500 OBO. 512-855-3801 - TX


WANTED: Stainless steel exhaust system for Q-200 or a source for them. Prefer silenced. Might accept mild steel. Also need prop extension, air-box, engine tin-ware. Contact Chris Rayner (44) 13 67 82 02 31 England


FOR SALE: Q-200 TT 125 hrs, SMOH 500 hrs, STOH 30 hrs, Cont. O-200 + Klaus Savier Hi-Comp. Pistons - 9.9 to 1. Elect. Ign. Navaid wingleveler, Valcom radio, Mode-C, 170 cruise, 2 interior. $25,000. Bruce Crain, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. 580-242-0618


WANTED: Propeller for a 20 hp Onan and a 300-degree iol temperature gauge. Contact J. P. Stroud 407-757-3553, E-mail This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


FOR SALE: Q-2 project, firewall aft. on mains, have engine options, upholstery, controls, misc. $1600 or ? Located in Salinas, CA. Stuart Smith E-mail This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or call (days) 831-673-0114, (evenings) 831-663-4674


FOR SALE: TRI-Q2 certified as tail wheel, modified to tri-gear. Zero time airframe and engine, reflexor, Matco brakes, LS1 canard, all modifications, all newsletters and documents. $6500. Kevin Howard, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. 281-244-4835 - TX


FOR SALE: Q-1, 375 hrs on airframe, 175 hrs on Rotax 447 eng. Terra handheld radio included. Will deliver to buyer in the Northwest. View at http://www.barnstormers.com/97041400.html $5000 OBO. Must sell. Jerry Darrah 503-254-9992


FOR SALE: TRI-GEAR KIT, main gear is wrapped and has tabs built. Wheel pants complete less finishing, includes stainless brackets. Have wheels, tires, brakes, nose gear and plans. Located in Florida. Ed Sikora 407-861-3338, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


FOR SALE: Q2 project firewall aft, no engine. LS-1 canard, main wing, rudder and gas tank built. $2000. Don Manak 414-862-9803 11125 - 237th Plc, Trevor, WI 53179


WANTED: Revmaster vacuum system, Q-2 Revmaster exhaust system, elevator mass balance parts, belly board kit, O-200 motor and Q-2 conversion kit, call Tom @ 828-264-7371


FOR SALE: Q-200 w/trailer, 290 hrs, reflexor, speed brake, gyro, mode C, GPS, King 79A com. Asking price $17,500. Call Glenn Watts 409-234-2170 or 318-583-5715, E-mail This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


FOR SALE: I have a Hamilton vertical card compass available (non tso version) and I will part with it cheap. $40. Jim Doyle 217-529-6431, E-mail This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


FOR SALE: Q-1, 40 hp Zenoah engine, trailer mod., trailer included, 200+hrs with Onan, not flown with the Zenoah. Needs cowling mounted, minor finishing $3000. Consider selling minus engine. Al Bruggink, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or 414-335-6459


The 1998 Ottawa Fly-In video is now available. It captures the entire Ottawa weekend experience in over 9 hours of video tape, including all of the forums, the Award Dinner, fly-by, performance run and a leisurely up-close look at each of the attending aircraft. All 9 hours for $28/set of two VHS EP tapes (ppd). Canada: Add $3 (S&H). MC/Visa/Check accepted. Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.; Fax 520-445-3781; Voice: 520-778-6988; Mail: Steward Instruments, Inc., P O Box 11929, Prescott, AZ 86304



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Q-talk 141 - Trailways Freight

 

I am a sucker for a good deal. When I hear the word “FREE” my ears perk up and my heart starts to race. What makes it even better is when I hear those words relating to parts for my airplane. It’s even better when “FREE” relates to a part that I have been struggling to build for an extended period of time.

Q2 Canopy

In August of 2009 I heard through the Q-list, that Rick Caldwell, (an EZ driver from Wyoming) was cleaning out his hanger and found a canopy and cowling for a Q2, I leapt at the chance to make them my own.

Q2 Canopy and Cowl

Once the unbridled enthusiasm wore off, it was quickly replaced by the cold splash of reality. With larger aircraft parts, FREE often ends up being several hundred dollars because of the cost of shipping. I think many a deal on eBay has fallen through for just that reason. So Rick and I racked our brains for several months. The snows of a long Wyoming winter came and went, and when we finally got our brains thawed out, Rick had a EUREAKA moment. The plan was so simple and elegant that it might actually work!

Rick Caldwell

Anyone who has ever taken a Greyhound bus to anywhere has seen their luggage is stored in a cavernous compartment, under the passenger seating area. Often, the bus has lots of spare room under there. Well Greyhound and Trailways have decided to start up their freight delivery service again. So Rick simply threw the 40 lbs. of bulky aircraft parts in a large appliance box, and brought them to the bus station.

Adirondack Trailways Bus 62062

A few days later, I got a call from Trailways telling me that the package was ready to pick up. I took a quick trip to my local bus station and VOILA! I had a gently used canopy and cowling for my project. The total for shipping came to $62, which I think is a great deal!

Trailways Freight

At any rate, if you’ve considered cleaning out the hanger and thought that selling and shipping the large parts would be a major hassle, just remember that you can always throw bulky items “under the bus.”

By the way, did I mention that you can list your items for "FREE" in the online classifieds? Wink